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C.S.M.P. Digest             Thu, 23 Jul 92       Volume 1 : Issue 148

Today's Topics:

    THINK Pascal and debugging Time Manager Calls
    ViewEdit Blues
    More CTB Questions
    How many lasers in chooser?
    appe info wanted
    Setting SIZE Resource from MPW
    TMON typ# TMPL?
    MacApp 3.0 and Dialog Views
    Address error



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From: [e-mail] (Christian Steffen Ove Franz)
Subject: THINK Pascal and debugging Time Manager Calls
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 16:24:44 GMT


I need some help in debugging a THINK Pascal program. I am using the TimeManager
to schedule a process say 2 secs in the future. When the timer counts down, my
routine gets called during interrupt.

The first thing I do is to restore the A5 world (as mentioned in IM VI) to access
the globals. No matter what I do, the program will bomb. Especially if I placed
a breakpoint inside the procedure that gets executed during interrupt. Since I want
my program to execute in the background every so often I must be relying on the
time manager. Hence I need to debug the program. How can I do that? Is there
something I overlooked in the manual (an arcane compiler option maybe?)

Thanks for your help.

Cheers,
Christian

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Christian S. O. Franz                 |                   [e-mail]
ETH Zuerich, Swizerland               |                     [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Rich Siegel)
Organization: GCC Technologies
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 20:02:41 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Christian Steffen Ove Franz) writes:

>the globals. No matter what I do, the program will bomb. Especially if I placed
>a breakpoint inside the procedure that gets executed during interrupt. Since I want
>my program to execute in the background every so often I must be relying on the

    You can't use the THINK Pascal debugger to deubg interrupt level
routines, and interrupt level routines written in Pascal will crash the
system if you run them under the environment with debugging turned on.
Place a {$Push} {$D-} in front of the procedure heading for any code
to be executed at interrupt time, and {$Pop} after the end of the procedure.

R.



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Rich Siegel                              Internet: [e-mail]
Software Engineer & Toolsmith
GCC Technologies

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From: [e-mail] (Jon Pugh)
Date: 19 Jun 92 21:44:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Co.

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christian Steffen Ove Franz) writes:
>
>
> I need some help in debugging a THINK Pascal program. I am using the TimeManager
> to schedule a process say 2 secs in the future. When the timer counts down, my
> routine gets called during interrupt.
>
> The first thing I do is to restore the A5 world (as mentioned in IM VI) to access
> the globals. No matter what I do, the program will bomb. Especially if I placed
> a breakpoint inside the procedure that gets executed during interrupt. Since I want
> my program to execute in the background every so often I must be relying on the
> time manager. Hence I need to debug the program. How can I do that? Is there
> something I overlooked in the manual (an arcane compiler option maybe?)

You CANNOT use the debugger at interrupt time.  Don't even try.  In fact,
you should turn off the debugging code for that routine like so:

{$PUSH}
{$D-}
PROCEDURE Boogers;
BEGIN
END;
{$POP}

This will make sure you don't get any debugger code in there.

As for debugging the sucker, use the tried and true method of making it so
simple it canUt fail (see the code above for an example that CANNOT fail)
and then adding stuff until it breaks.  When it does, back up and try again.
It ain't sophisticated, but it works.

The trick (IMHO) to writing interrupt routines is to keep them SHORT and
clean and to build them slowly.  Be prepared to reboot often.

Jon

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From: [e-mail] (John Gray)
Subject: ViewEdit Blues
Organization: AI duPont Inst.
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1992 16:31:47 GMT

ViewEdit can be a real pain. Does anyone know how to edit things you can't see.
I realize I can get to views that are obstructed by other views but I can't
figure out how to get to view with size 0,0.  Or another case is a
TextListView which is set to initailly have zero columns.  The only thing
I seem to be able to do is delete the superview and then create the super
view and the view in question all over again ( along any other subviews the
superview may have had. )

Another thing that a find a little odd is that ViewEdit won't create certain
things.  For instance if you look at the DemoDialogs example app.  Derez
the Format Dialog, then try to create a similiar one with ViewEdit and Derez
it.  I can't make them match.  There are fields that are different in the
two that ViewEdit does not allow me to change (or View for that manner).
When all the fields I do have control over are set to be the same, the two
do not behave the same.  One field in particular is a hex value at the
end of the adorners list.
Any suggestion would be appreciaged.

Thanks
John Gray
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank Giraffe)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1992 02:44:06 GMT


John,
Are you editing views for MacApp 2 or 3? There is a nice 3rd Party app
called IcePick that edits MacApp 2 views (a upgrade for 3.0 views is
promised "Real Soon"). It's available from MADA.
- --
>Frank Giraffe- [e-mail] - {apple,pacbell,ucbvax}!well!fgiraffe
>As the noose of narco-militarism tightens 'round our necks, we worry about
>  burning flags and pee in jars at work to keep our jobs.  -- Jello Biafra

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From: [e-mail] (Eye Care Centre)
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 92 04:05:27 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank Giraffe) writes:
>
>Are you editing views for MacApp 2 or 3? There is a nice 3rd Party app
>called IcePick that edits MacApp 2 views (a upgrade for 3.0 views is
>promised "Real Soon"). It's available from MADA.

A quick correction: IcePick has been sold by KPMG*ExIS to Apple to serve as
a ViewEdit replacement for MacApp 3. MADA, which was distributing it, is/was
examining possible legal actions against KPMG*ExIS for acting in bad faith
(promising a 3.0-compatible version but not delivering). The sordid details
(well, some) are in the latest issue of FrameWorks.

The bottom line is: Don't buy IcePick. However, there is a program called AdLib
by Nick Nallick which MADA is attempting to secure the distribution rights for.
It is described as "a view resource editor on steroids".

Bill Kiss
Programmer/Lab flunkie
Dept. of Ophthalmology, UBC

Disclaimer: A miffed IcePick purchaser.

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Kelley)
Subject: More CTB Questions
Date: 16 Jun 92 19:07:06 GMT

I'm trying to implement a simple Telnet client using the CTB. It needs
to be implemented as an XObject that can be called from MacroMind
Director. I posted to the net a few weeks ago, and everyone recommended
that I look into the Communications Toolbox. So far it looks very good,
and it looks like I'll be able to do a lot less work than I had
originally thought I would have to do.
  The question I'm stuck on is this: Where do I get a MacTCP tool? As
far as I can tell, Apple doesn't sell one. (Or, if they do, the person I
just talked to at APDA didn't know it. They may have one listed in the
catalog...?). Is this something I need to buy from a third party? If so,
can anybody direct me to the companies that would sell it?
  I'm also a little bit puzzled-- the CTB says it knows about a "MacTCP
Tool" when I ask it... I assume it's responding to the MacTCP tool that
I have installed as part of MacX? And didn't I hear on the net that that
tool is hardcoded to port 6000?
  Thanks for any help or suggestions...

Scott

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Scott Kelley, [e-mail], [phone]
Multimedia Interactive Learning Laboratory (MILL)
Department of Biology, UC San Diego
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From: [e-mail] (John Major)
Date: 17 Jun 92 17:18:20 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA


To use Telnet with MacTCP and the Comm Toolbox, use one of the third
party Connection Tools - Versaterm Telnet Tool from Synergy Software,
or TCPak from Advanced Software Concepts (a French gang). They are
both excellent. The MacTCP Tool that comes with MacX I know will only
work with MacX, and now you've told me why - "hardwired for port 6000",
eh?

Good luck -
John Major
[e-mail]
ALINK:D6590
617/873-8165

ps. Keep in mind that you will be talking to the Telnet tool through
the CTB, so will not be able to do IP-specific programming. On the
other hand, your XObject will be able to run over LAT, Serial, Modem,
DecNet, ESP, whatever!

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From: [e-mail] (Alain Raynaud)
Date: 19 Jun 92 12:20:11 GMT
Organization: LRI - Univ. Paris-Sud / CNRS URA 410

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Major) writes:
|>
|> To use Telnet with MacTCP and the Comm Toolbox, use one of the third
|> party Connection Tools - Versaterm Telnet Tool from Synergy Software,
|> or TCPak from Advanced Software Concepts (a French gang). They are
|> both excellent. The MacTCP Tool that comes with MacX I know will only
|> work with MacX, and now you've told me why - "hardwired for port 6000",
|> eh?

Well, this is not perfectly correct : you can tell the MacTCP Tool of
MacX to use another port. There is standard call of the Comm Toolbox that
gets a string representing the configuration of the tool. Guess what : that
string contains something like "RemoteTCPPort 6000". Just change that
(by another standard call) and you will get connections with whatever
port you want (I tried it with ftp, telnet and NNTP).

The only problem is : I don't know of a Comm Program that let's you modify
the configuration string of a tool.

Alain Raynaud

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From: [e-mail] (Greg Ferguson)
Subject: How many lasers in chooser?
Date: 16 Jun 92 18:46:38 GMT
Organization: SPS

Hi,

Well, my DEVELOP CD is spinning away as On-Location tyies to find a reference
to the buffer size allocated for printer names in the chooser.

Seems to me that I read info about that just recently, but beats me where it
was. Can anyone point me to the right info?

I need: size of the buffer, or maxlength of the printer names and number of
printers allowed.

Thanks,

Greg Ferguson
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
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......POSTED VIA MOTOROLA SPS NEWS SERVER.......

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From: [e-mail] (Greg Ferguson)
Date: 19 Jun 92 19:45:25 GMT
Organization: SPS

Summary of responses to request for information on Chooser limitations
and buffer sizes and number of devices available for display.

Thanks for the responses,

Greg Ferguson
Motorola, Inc.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 92 11:13:18 CDT
From: "john  cavallino" <uunet!midway.uchicago.edu!jcav>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: How many lasers in chooser?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Cc:

In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>Well, my DEVELOP CD is spinning away as On-Location tyies to find a reference
>to the buffer size allocated for printer names in the chooser.
>
>Seems to me that I read info about that just recently, but beats me where it
>was. Can anyone point me to the right info?
>
>I need: size of the buffer, or maxlength of the printer names and number of
>printers allowed.

I've appended two articles that go into exhaustive detail about Chooser
limitations.  The first one talks about the Chooser in System 6, the second
discusses System 7.  Hope this helps.

    JohnC

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System 6.0.x Chooser Limitations

The following information is true for Chooser versions 3.x:

The Chooser DA window consists of 5 separate sections:

1. The device type list.
2. The AppleTalk zone list (only visible if there are multiple zones).
3. The user name box.
4. The AppleTalk active/inactive controls.
5. The available devices name list.

1. The Chooser is able to display a maximum of 16 items in the
Chooser device type list. This is the limit that is imposed by the
Chooser itself, not by something interfering with the operation of
the Chooser.

2. The Chooser allocates memory for the zone list dynamically, up to
32K. Each entry in the zone list takes up 1 byte of memory for each
character in the zone name plus 1 byte. The Chooser uses this extra
byte as a length byte. For example, the 7 character zone name "My
Zone" takes up 8 bytes of memory: 7 bytes for the characters and 1
byte for the length byte. The maximum length of a zone name is 32
characters. A 32 character zone name will take up 33 bytes of memory.

Based on this information, if every zone had a 32 character name, it
would be possible to have a maximum of 992 zones listed in the
Chooser (32K / 33 = 992.97, remove the remainder). The maximum number
of zones that may be displayed in the Chooser is wholly dependent on
the length of the zone names being used.

3. The user name may be a maximum of 31 characters long.

4. This one is self explanatory; it controls whether or not AppleTalk
   is active.

5. Determining the maximum number of visible Chooser device names:

System 5.x and 6.x Choosers allocate a 512 byte buffer for
containing the Chooser's list of available AppleTalk network device
names. Each name in the buffer is embedded in an AppleTalk Name
Binding Protocol (NBP) packet received by the chooser from the
selected device type. The NBP packet is called a lookup reply and is
sent in answer to the Chooser's lookup broadcast for the selected
device. An example is the selection of the device type LaserWriter
driver and the displayed LaserWriter object names.

It is due to the filling of the 512 byte buffer that sometimes
causes various names in the Chooser selection window to appear and
disappear. When selecting the LaserWriter driver in this situation, a
LaserWriter will disappear and another appear approximately once each
1.5 seconds. This happens whenever there are more names than the
buffer can hold. Because the lookups are usually sent in a series,
whenever a device will not fit on the display list, the first reply
received from a previous lookup is removed and replaced with the name
of the device that did not fit. This process will continue for each
following lookup broadcasted by the Chooser. While the display list
is also limited to 32 names, this is never reached when displaying
devices like LaserWriters because even with 1 character per name the
buffer will be filled when 22 LaserWriters are displayed.

If the constantly appearing and disappearing LaserWriter situation
is encountered by a customer, the customer can either break their
network up into zones containing smaller numbers of the particular
device or reduce the lengths of some or all of the device names.

The buffer space used by each returned AppleTalk device is the
length of the NBP reply packet returned by the device to the
Chooser's lookup.

NBP LaserWriter LookUp Reply PACKET definition
- ----------------------------------------------
Function and Tuple Count:       1 byte
NBP ID:                         1 byte
Network number:                 2 bytes
Node ID:                        1 byte
Socket Number:                  1 byte
Enumerator:                     1 byte
Object Field Length:            1 byte
Object:                         length of name
Type Field Length:              1 byte
Type:                           11 bytes for type "LaserWriter"
Zone Field Length:              1 byte
Zone:                           1 byte for zone "*" the NBP reply default
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TOTAL                           22 bytes + length of the
LaserWriter's name

A calculation for determining the maximum number of visible
LaserWriters in a zone:

Number of visible LaserWriters = trunc(512/(22+(sum of name lengths
/ Number of LaserWriters))

If the LaserWriter names are all the same length, the calculation is
simplified to trunc(512/(22+length)).  The mean calculation (sum of
name lengths / Number of LaserWriters) is not necessary in this case.

Note: Trunc indicates that decimal values should be ignored. i.e. A
result of 12.8 indicates 12 LaserWriters.

The calculation can be used for any other type of AppleTalk device
if the type length is known and the mean of the device names.

Current Chooser v3.3.1 selecting the Apple LaserWriter driver
displays:

Mean Name length        Max number of visible LaserWriters
    30                             9
    25                            10
    20                            12
    15                            13
    10                            16
     5                            18

Scott Winders
internet: [e-mail]
AppleLink: [e-mail]


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The following information pertains to the System 7 Chooser (version 7.0):

The Chooser DA window consists of four separate sections:

1) The device type list.
2) The AppleTalk zone list (visible only if there are multiple zones).
3) The AppleTalk active/inactive controls.
4) The available devices name list.


1) The Chooser is able to display a maximum of 32 items in the
Chooser device type list (Note: The System 6 limit was 16). This is the
limit that is imposed by the Chooser itself, not by something
interfering with the operation of the Chooser.

2) The Chooser allocates memory for the zone list dynamically, up to
32K (Note: this is the same as the System 6 Chooser). Each entry in
the zone list uses 1 byte of memory for each character in the zone name,
plus 1 byte.  The Chooser uses this extra byte as a length byte.  For
example, the 7-character zone name "My Zone" uses 8 bytes of memory: 7
bytes for the characters and 1 byte for the length byte.  The maximum
length of a zone name is 32 characters.  A 32-character zone name uses
33 bytes of memory.

Based on this information, if every zone had a 32-character name, it
would be possible to have a maximum of 992 zones listed in the Chooser
(32,768 / 33 = 992.97, remove the remainder).  The maximum number
of zones that can be displayed in the Chooser is wholly dependent on
the length of the zone names being used.

3) This one is self-explanatory; it controls whether or not AppleTalk
is active (Note: this is the same as the System 6 Chooser).

4) Determining the maximum number of visible Chooser device names:

The System 7 Chooser allocate a 32,768-byte buffer for the Chooser's
list of available AppleTalk network device names (Note: the System 6
Chooser allocated a 512-byte buffer).  Each name in the buffer is
embedded in an AppleTalk Name Binding Protocol (NBP) packet received
by the Chooser from the selected device type.  The NBP packet is called
a "lookup reply", and is sent in answer to the Chooser's lookup broadcast
for the selected device.  An example is the selection of the device type
LaserWriter driver, and the displayed LaserWriter object names.

The buffer space used by each returned AppleTalk device is the length of
the NBP reply packet returned by the device to the Chooser's lookup.

   NBP LaserWriter Lookup Reply Packet Definition
   ----------------------------------------------
   Function and Tuple Count:    1 byte
   NBP ID:                      1 byte
   Network Number:              2 bytes
   Node ID:                     1 byte
   Socket Number:               1 byte
   Enumerator:                  1 byte
   Object Field Length:         1 byte
   Object:                      length of name
   Type Field Length:           1 byte
   Type:                       11 bytes for type "LaserWriter"
   Zone Field Length:           1 byte
   Zone:                        1 byte for zone "*" the NBP reply default

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
   TOTAL                       22 bytes + length of the LaserWriter name

A calculation for determining the maximum number of visible
LaserWriters in a zone:

Number of visible LaserWriters = trunc(32,768/(22+(sum of name lengths /
Number of LaserWriters))

If the LaserWriter names are all the same length, the calculation is
simplified to trunc(32,768/(22+length)).  The mean calculation
(sum of name lengths / Number of LaserWriters) is not necessary in this
case.

(NOTE: Trunc indicates that decimal values should be ignored.  That
is, a result of 780.19 indicates 780 LaserWriters.)

The calculation can be used for any other type of AppleTalk device, if
the type length and the mean of the device names are known.

   System 7 Chooser selecting the Apple LaserWriter driver displays:

   Mean Name Length        Max Number of Visible LaserWriters
   ----------------        ----------------------------------
       32                           606
       30                           630
       25                           697
       20                           780
       15                           885
       10                          1024
        5                          1213

Copyright 1989 Apple Computer, Inc.


Scott Winders
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1992 11:46 EST
From: "Anthony C. Canike" <uunet!ecl.psu.edu!ACC>
Subject: How many lasers in chooser?
To: [e-mail]
X-Vms-To: in%"[e-mail]"

Greg -

Here's some info I got from DEVSUPPORT at Apple.  Hope it helps.

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...

Now back to your original question, what's going on with my
printer?  As I mentioned previously, I suspect your network
might be a prime contributor to your problems. However, if the
network is not at fault I have a few Ideas that I will layout in
just a second. To begin with, the IIg printers have proven to be
very reliable over the network. Additionally Apple has not had
reports of networking issues or problems as you describe. One
possibility is that The Chooser is only able to display up to a
maximum of 16 items in the Chooser device list.  This is the limit
imposed by the Chooser itself, not by something interfering
with the operation of the Chooser.

How many devices  are in your zone? Is it possible your exceeding
physical limits?   Further, the Chooser allocates memory for
the zone list dynamically, up to 32K. Each entry in the zone list
uses 1 byte of memory for each character in the zone name, plus 1
byte.  The Chooser uses this extra byte as a length byte. For
example, the 7-character zone name "My Zone" uses 8 bytes of
memory: 7 bytes for the characters and 1 byte for the length
byte.  The maximum length of a zone name is 32 characters.  A
32-character zone name uses 33 bytes of memory.   Based on this
information, if every zone had a 32-character name, it would be
possible to have a maximum of 992 zones listed in the Chooser
(32K / 33 = 992.97, remove the remainder).  The maximum number of
zones that can be displayed in the Chooser is wholly dependent
on the length of the zone names being used.   System 5.x and 6.x
Choosers allocate a 512-byte buffer for the Chooser's list of
available AppleTalk network device names.  Each name in the
buffer is embedded in an AppleTalk Name Binding Protocol (NBP)
packet received by the Chooser from the selected device type.
The NBP packet is called a "lookup reply", and is sent in answer
to the Chooser's lookup broadcast for the selected device.  An
example is the selection of the  device type LaserWriter
driver, and the displayed LaserWriter object names.   When the
512-byte buffer is filled, this sometimes causes various
names in the Chooser selection window to appear and disappear.
When selecting the LaserWriter driver in this situation, a
LaserWriter disappears and another appears approximately
once each 1.5 seconds. This happens whenever there are more
names than the buffer can hold. Because the lookups are usually
sent in a series, whenever a device does not fit on the display
list, the first reply received from a previous lookup is
removed and replaced with the name of the device that did not
fit.  This process continues for each following lookup
broadcasted by the Chooser. While the display list is also
limited to 32 names, this is never reached when displaying
devices like LaserWriters, because even with 1 character per
name, the buffer is filled when 22 LaserWriters are displayed.

   *If you encounter the constantly appearing and disappearing LaserWriter
   situation, you can either break the network up into zones containing
   smaller numbers of the particular device, or reduce the length of some or
   all of the device names.*

The buffer space used by each returned AppleTalk device is the length
of the NBP reply packet returned by the device to the Chooser's lookup.

   NBP LaserWriter Lookup Reply Packet Definition
   ----------------------------------------------
   Function and Tuple Count:    1 byte
   NBP ID:                      1 byte
   Network Number:              2 bytes
   Node ID:                     1 byte
   Socket Number:               1 byte
   Enumerator:                  1 byte
   Object Field Length:         1 byte
   Object:                      length of name
   Type Field Length:           1 byte
   Type:                       11 bytes for type "LaserWriter"
   Zone Field Length:           1 byte
   Zone:                        1 byte for zone "*" the NBP reply default
   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
   TOTAL                       22 bytes + length of the LaserWriter name

   A calculation for determining the maximum number of visible LaserWriters
   in a zone:


   Number of visible LaserWriters = trunc(512/(22+(sum of name lengths /
   Number of LaserWriters))


   If the LaserWriter names are all the same length, the calculation is
   simplified to trunc(512/(22+length)).  The mean calculation (sum of name
   lengths / Number of LaserWriters) is not necessary in this case.

(NOTE: Trunc indicates that decimal values should be ignored.  That is, a
result of 12.8 indicates 12 LaserWriters.)

   The calculation can be used for any other type of AppleTalk device, if
   the type length and the mean of the device names are known.

Chooser, selecting the Apple LaserWriter driver displays:

   Mean Name Length        Max Number of Visible LaserWriters
   ----------------        ----------------------------------
       30                             9
       25                            10
       20                            12
       15                            13
       10                            16
        5                            18

I hope this information address your question. At this point you need to
determine a few things:

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Zobkiw)
Subject: appe info wanted
Date: 19 Jun 92 12:24:36 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

I'm about to embark on a little tangent, writing a faceless background
application. My first idea was to write an appe and communicate with it
via AE from a "Configuration application" of some type.

So, I look on the dev cd's and I find two examples of daemon applications
but they are all of type APPL with the onlyBackground flag set.

I there any information available on writing an appe instead? What are
the differences? Why would I want one instead of the other? please feel
free to refer me to any documents to read, IM VI seems to say very little
about this. Maybe I just missed it?

Thanks in advance and my apologies if this has been discussed.


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From: [e-mail] (Grobbins)
Date: 19 Jun 92 17:10:35 GMT
Organization: Apple DTS

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Zobkiw) writes:
>I there any information available on writing an appe instead? What are
>the differences? Why would I want one instead of the other?

'appe' is an application extension.  If your faceless background
application is given the type appe instead of APPL, it will be routed
to the Extensions folder if the user drags it onto the System folder,
and it will be launched at startup time.

So, to the user, an 'appe' looks just like an INIT.  From a developer's
point of view, it's quite a bit easier to write and debug, since it is
a normal (albeit somewhat restricted) application.

For more information see the article "Be Our Guest" in issue 9 of develop.

Grobbins         [e-mail]

Usual disclaimers apply.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Zobkiw)
Date: 20 Jun 92 00:18:32 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

>> For more information see the article "Be Our Guest" in issue 9 of develop.

Yea but...issue 9 talks only about APPLs with the onlyBackground bit set.
I mentioned that in my previous post, I think. I need some information
on appe type things. Thanks.


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From: [e-mail] (William J. Bene)
Subject: Setting SIZE Resource from MPW
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1992 16:25:45 GMT

How do you set the size resource for the suggested memory size for an
application in MPW?  I thought there might be an option on the Link or Rez
tools but I haven't found one.

==============================
William J. Bene
Computer Sciences Corp.
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Michael Peirce)
Date: 20 Jun 92 17:19:16 GMT
Organization: Peirce Software


In article <[e-mail]> (comp.sys.mac.programmer), [e-mail] (William J. Bene) writes:
> How do you set the size resource for the suggested memory size for an
> application in MPW?  I thought there might be an option on the Link or Rez
> tools but I haven't found one.

You use Rez and feed it a resource file definition (a .r file).  In
that Rez file you declare a SIZE resource something like this:

resource 'SIZE' (-1) {
    saveScreen,
    acceptSuspendResumeEvents,
    enableOptionSwitch,
    canBackground,
    doesActivateOnFGSwitch,
    backgroundAndForeground,
    dontGetFrontClicks,
    ignoreAppDiedEvents,
    is32BitCompatible,
    isHighLevelEventAware,
    localAndRemoteHLEvents,
    notStationeryAware,
    reserved,
    reserved,
    reserved,
    reserved,
     575 * 1024,
    2550 * 1024,
};

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Poole)
Subject: TMON typ# TMPL?
Date: 19 Jun 92 18:12:59 GMT
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn

Anyone know where I can find a TMPL resource for creating and
editing TMON typ# resources?  I'm kind of surprised to not find
one on the distribution disks.  Thanks.

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From: [e-mail] (Neal Trautman)
Date: 20 Jun 92 15:29:19 GMT
Organization: Farallon Computing, Inc.

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve Poole) writes:
>
> Anyone know where I can find a TMPL resource for creating and
> editing TMON typ# resources?  I'm kind of surprised to not find
> one on the distribution disks.  Thanks.
>

If you really mean TMON Pro's 'Typ#' resource, the template
is in the TMON application.  Simply open the TMON application
in ResEdit and then you can use any of the 14 TMPL's that
are in the application.

If you still can't find it, here it is:

084E756D54797065734F434E54052A2A2A2A2A4C53544305466C616773484C4E470453697A65484C4E47024944484C4E47044E616D6545535452094E756D4669656C64734F434E54052D2D2D2D2D4C53544305466C61677348575244064F6666736574484C4E470453697A65484C4E470754797065204944484C4E47044E616D6545535452052D2D2D2D2D4C535445052A2A2A2A2A4C535445

It's in hex, simply copy the hex data, create a new Typ# TMPL resource
in ResEdit, open it using the Hex Editor and paste in the hex data.
If you close the resource and reopen it you should have a normal
TMPL resource that should work.
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[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Karl J. Smith)
Subject: MacApp 3.0 and Dialog Views
Date: 19 Jun 92 06:20:16 GMT
Organization: Sparcom Corp., Corvallis/Tigard, Oregon

ViewEdit 3.0b2 is driving me crazy. I'm trying to create a dialog box
with an 'OK' a 'Cancel' and some static text. I'm using the following
snippet of code to display it:

pascal void TApplicationMine::MakeTheDialog(CommandNumber aCommandNumber)
{
    TWindow *    aWindow;
    IDType        dismisser;

FailNIL(aWindow = gViewServer->NewTemplateWindow((short)aCommandNumber, NULL));
dismisser = aWindow->PoseModally();
if (dismisser == 'ok  ') {
    do_something();
}
aWindow->Close();
} // TApplicationMeld::MakeConnectionInstallDialog

What happens is that the dialog is displayed on the screen, but clicking
the buttons produce no result. I'm stuck there forever.

The buttons are 'ok  ' and 'cncl' and are mentiond
as 'default item view' and 'cancel item view' in the TDialogView fields.

I've used ViewEdit to compare my views to the ModalBeepDialog in DemoDialogs,
and it's the same as far as I can tell, except for the item positions.
Why do the DemoDialogs views work, and not mine?

- -Karl Smith
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Knight)
Date: 20 Jun 92 16:14:53 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Karl J. Smith) writes:
>ViewEdit 3.0b2 is driving me crazy. I'm trying to create a dialog box
>with an 'OK' a 'Cancel' and some static text. I'm using the following
>snippet of code to display it:
>
>pascal void TApplicationMine::MakeTheDialog(CommandNumber aCommandNumber)
>{
>    TWindow *    aWindow;
>    IDType        dismisser;
>
>FailNIL(aWindow = gViewServer->NewTemplateWindow((short)aCommandNumber, NULL));
>dismisser = aWindow->PoseModally();
>if (dismisser == 'ok  ') {
>    do_something();
>}
>aWindow->Close();
>} // TApplicationMeld::MakeConnectionInstallDialog
>
>What happens is that the dialog is displayed on the screen, but clicking
>the buttons produce no result. I'm stuck there forever.
>
>The buttons are 'ok  ' and 'cncl' and are mentiond
>as 'default item view' and 'cancel item view' in the TDialogView fields.
>
>I've used ViewEdit to compare my views to the ModalBeepDialog in DemoDialogs,
>and it's the same as far as I can tell, except for the item positions.
>Why do the DemoDialogs views work, and not mine?
>

  Using ViewEdit, check your 'ok  ' and 'cncl' buttons.  In the TControl
part of the button the "Default Choice" needs to be set to 34 (mDismiss) for
PoseModally to know that it should close the dialog view and return
the control id.  In "Programmers Guide to MacApp", chapter 12, they don't
mention this little detail for PoseModally (they might in the 411 doc, but
I don't have it accessible right now).
  ViewEdit, on a button creation, sets the default choice to 3, which is
mButtonHit, assuming that your own DoEvent would be handling it.

  If you have a look in DemoDialogs.r, you'll find some lines similar to:

"Button {34, notHilited, notDimmed, sizeable, {4, 4, 4, 4}, 700,
dontPreferOutline, kButtonLabels, 2}, "

  That "34" is the control object event number, which is how PoseModally
works for DemoDialogs.

Course, you've probably received 20 different messages like mine...after
you hunted down the offending section of code in MacApp.  Oh well, I tried.

steve knight
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (john smith)
Subject: Address error
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 92 15:17:36 GMT

I'm trying to write a code to put a single window with 5 dialog items
(byte mag, april 1992). I copied the code direct from the mag, modified it
to get rid of the void().. It runs but I get an Address Error. I'm using
think 5.0.. What do i have to look for to corrct this problem.. Can anyone
write me a little code to put a window on my mac.. I'm very good with
resedit but i'm a junior amateur programmer in C..  Can I go out with your
sister? Can I borrow your car??
But seriously, any help would be greatly appreciated... Here's the code away



#include <Types.h>
#include <QuickDraw.h>
#include <Windows.h>
#include <Dialogs.h>

#define DIAGNOSTIC_DIALOG       400
#define NIL                                     0L
#define IN_FRONT                        -1


Report_It()
{
        long var1,var2,var3,var4;

        int item1Str[10], item2Str[10], item3Str[10], item4Str[10];
        short           item;
        GrafPtr         oldPort;
        DialogPtr       timeDialog;


                NumToString(var1, item1Str);
                NumToString(var2, item2Str);
                NumToString(var3, item3Str);
                NumToString(var4, item4Str);
                ParamText(item1Str, item2Str, item3Str, item4Str);
                timeDialog = GetNewDialog(DIAGNOSTIC_DIALOG,NIL,(WindowPtr)IN
_FRONT);
                GetPort(&oldPort);
                SetPort(timeDialog);
                ModalDialog(NIL, &item);
                SetPort(oldPort);
                DisposDialog(timeDialog);



}
        /*end Report_It*/


main()
{


        Report_It();

}








Thanks in advance...JOHNS.uuisis


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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 20 Jun 1992 21:31:27 CDT
From: <[e-mail]>

 Do the "GetPort" call before you do the GetNewDialog call. That alone,
can cause problems, cause I think I've seen somewhere that GetNewDialog
DOES a SetPort. That way, after the call to DisposeDialog, you would not
re-set the port to garbage as in this case, since the dialog has been
disposed of.
 Hope it helps.
***** G.V.Rasani
Breaking up with somebody, should appear on your resume...
*****

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